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Sam Sethi

I would like to address this issue immediately before I post my feelings about the conference. Please also read Michael Arringon explanations.

-exhausted after the conference, I saw Sam’s post, I also notice it was posted on the first day of the conference, after which I could not read any criticism about the event, so it was the first one I saw, and most participants were very happy about the first day

-I took offense not because of the criticism, would have been fine for me on Sam’s personal blog but because Sam wrote it on TechCrunch who helped me organize many things (not Sam but Ouriel Ohayon of TechCrunch France) and got branding in exchange as main partner of the conference (no other financial arrangements between us and TechCrunch). TechCrunch was everywhere in the conference, blog etc.

-exhausted, I treated Sam an asshole and immediately regretted it.

-Michael felt it was the result of me being very tired and emailed me ccing Sam to offer me to delete the comment

-I accepted

-Sam used the email I considered private to confirm that it was really me who left the comment (which was fine I always stand by what I have done, except email privacy)

-I publically apoligized in another comment, for me the issue is closed and I am not proud of myself for the comment, that’s how I am (rarely)

-instead of deleting the comment as it was offered Sam keeps it online.

The rest is internal TechCrunch and I had no further exchanges about my sad comment. I want to say for those of you who may doubt it that

-I never asked Michael anything against Sam

-I regret he was fired and there is no way I can believe he got fired just because of that comment I left.

Nobody would fire anybody for this, there is obviously an entire internal context there I don’t know and don’t need to know.

Notes:

1. as some of you asked I also confirm that Michael has always been in the program and invited as speaker. Two days before the conference starts Michael emails me saying that as he was unsure until the last minute to join and still offers to join us but with a ridiculous ticket price as it was the only option left. I declined as the conference was due to barely breakeven and Michael did not join us, no other underlying story.

2. Six Apart never ever blocked access to the blog or administration of Sam Sethi’s personal blog. I can’t believe some people started this rumor.

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  • raoul

    You are a loser LLM !

  • http://www.zebraincast.com/blog lionel

    frankly loïc I would like to believe you, but I can’t. this is not the first time you’re treating someone with such a fine choice of words in a comment, and I haven’t seen apologies in those cases.
    so the apology looks like some sort of damage control after having failed to have the comment or the note removed, not as something sincere.
    and anyway, in your previous note you are also apologising to those who didn’t like your conference. so sam was right: there was some good, some bad and some ugly at your conference, but you couldn’t take the criticism.
    so what exactly does it mean when you apologise?
    please note that I usually side with you, just in case you have a pile of insults left ;-)

  • http://thegayexpat.com Mizez Slo

    You mean the same Ouriel who “pre-launched” your video for you?
    http://ouriel.typepad.com/myblog/2006/12/loic_is_dead_in.html

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com/france Loic

    you believe me or not is your choice, I just told the facts and the truth on this story.

  • http://guixo.blogspot.com/ jose

    story is good, mr yes

  • http://www.myspace.fr Alain

    using techcrunch for his personnal critics was certainly not delicate but he probably did not deserve to be fired for that. unless as you say we miss something important. If his intentions were personnal ambitions to build his name on yours them shame on him. it sounds like you have enough problems already….

  • http://www.zebraincast.com/blog lionel

    ok “bénéfice du doute” then. but facts are from a point of view and truth is supposed to be universal. and men are usually fighting each other when they believe they own the truth. this might even explain some of this BS.

  • http://guixo.blogspot.com/ jose
  • http://www.wideo.fr/video/iLyROoaftZHm.html VideoTrick

    LOIC LE MEUR IS DEAD : -)
    Here is the video : http://www.wideo.fr/video/iLyROoaftZHm.html

  • http://www.myspace.fr eric

    On one side everybody seems to take Sam’s defense. on the other side, your explanation could make sense and i could understand you reacted under the fire specially coming from a partner. He had certainly the right not to like the conference but why the hell did he published it under the techcrunh? This stinks really. Maybe we will know more soon

  • George of the Jungle

    Hey loic.
    You seem not to be the only one to think he’s an asshole
    “Loic has every right to call Sam an asshole. He is an asshole. A manipulative asshole. BUt that’s how they train them at Microsoft.”
    http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2006/12/well-i-guess-im-not-having-breakfast-with-sam-sethi-tomorrow
    and this one did not even apologize

  • http://www.loiclemeur.com/france Loic

    the last thing I have to prove I am right is our email exchange but sorry this is not my style, I would rather Sam confirms himself, I apologized after all and have nothing to do with him being fired, I also said I was sorry for it.

  • sacha

    Hi. I do not know who’s right or not and I am completly neutral. I just wanna say I was at the conference and Loïc has big balls to organize this kind of conference with so many people and I was very happy to be there. I liked the open mindset and it gave a clear idea of Web 2.0 even if it was not too deep in terms of strategy but who the hell wanna say too much about his strategy anyway (quite confidential). About Sarkozy it was a very good idea to invite politics in the blogsphere it’s how it is web 2.0 to invite anyone that wish to express himself. They just should speak in English. At the end I just think it’s about people susceptibilty and jealousy with Loïc. I like people to take risks to organize such open conference and to take risks to be so much exposed with critism in the blogsphere. Keep on going Loïc and I wait for Le Web 4. All the best

  • http://www.onemanandhisblog.com/archives/2006/12/le_web_3_loic_e.html One Man & His Blog

    Le Web 3: Loïc est mort?

    Loïc Le Meur is dead*… (knowledge of French handy, if you follow that link) And, through a blogging medium, no doubt, he speaks from beyond the grave on the Sam Sethi issue.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/adders/ Adam

    If Sarkozy wants to express himself, fine. But why come to the conference to do it, if he had no desire to interact with it? It’s just a pity he didn’t take questions from the audience like Peres and Bayrou.
    However, asking him to speak English? C’mon, if the guy isn’t fluent in English and wants to make a speech, what’s wrong with the simultaneous translation provided?

  • http://lorenzo100.hautetfort.com/ Laurent Ponce

    I personnaly think people tend to mix eveything up until the truth cannot be recongnized anymore. Mashup is good fo content on websites, not for facts in real life !
    And we definitely have to dissociate Loïc’s insult (wich he apologized for, and hey : are we all robots ? mistake is human !…) from sam sethi’s dismissal.
    These are NOT the same story.
    And another thing : even in the hypothesis that Loïc tried to have sam fired, just explain what kind of power / pressure he could exerce on Mike Arrington to do so : sorry but I don’t buy it, it doesn’t add up.
    So please people, just try to put some rational thinking back into it :
    1 – Conference happenned. And that’s great. As every event this kind, it was far from perfection… but I challenge every blogger around to do the same in six weeks and reach perfection : just impossible !
    2 – The politics intervention definitely were a mistake. Not the idea in itslef, but the way it happened. Could have been good, but it hasn’t. Period. Nobody died, nobody got hurt…
    3 – Now, there’s been some exchanges between Loïc and Sam, partly public and partly private. Part of the story is clearly unknown by anyone, appart from Mike Arrington and Sam Sethi, wich ended up in MA firing SS.
    Obviously there’s some kind of link between 1,2 and 3. But the exact nature of this relation, to me, is still too unclear to draw conclusions.

  • karpad

    Sorry, but what count is the final result , not what you and others said or or did.
    The fact is that the final result is really ” pityoable” as you would say in French so I believe you should draw the conclusions and return to the the “private world”
    I would like also to add that I have paid for a relative a substainsal part of the amount of the confernce and i can tell you I am really not happy about all this mess..

  • http://www.harvard.edu Nicolas

    Loïc,
    a) Please learn to write correct English.
    b) Is being “exhausted” a good reason to insult people?
    c) Get a serious job.
    d) Get a life.

  • http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris Tom Morris

    Okay, now that you’ve put your side of the story up about Sam Sethi, can we now have a conversation about the fact that (a) the French politicians at Le Web were a tremendous waste of our time and attention; (b) the panels had people who were there only because of their sponsorship (the guy from Orange on the “giants of web 2.0″ panel springs to mind); (c) the near total non-existence of tough questions or interaction with the speakers; (d) the fact that the audience to whom Le Web was pitched was not made clear in the promotion (if I had any idea of who it was aimed at, I would have stayed far, far away); (e) the fact that you called Le Web 3 an ‘unconference’ when in fact it was a media circus and finely planned stage show; and (f) the fact that journalists got special treatment despite the fact that “blogging is the future” (insert citizen journalism hype here) etc. I could go on and on. You were there on Tuesday at the end of the day. Do you know why the place was half empty at the end of the day?!
    Sam Sethi – much as I think he’s a great guy – is not the issue, Loïc. The issue is you’ve got a lot of people like me who left Paris on Wednesday morning feeling like they’ve spent a lot of time and money attending a conference that left them feeling very unsatisfied at the end of it. You’ve got a lot of people feeling ripped off and who aren’t feeling the “conversation love”, and you are doing nothing to communicate with them.
    A huge great big blogstorm happened and your only reaction – as someone who works for a BLOGGING COMPANY – is to go and call Sam Sethi an asshole. It’s not so much that you called him an asshole as the fact that you haven’t done anything else. Where’s the conversation at, Loïc?
    Sam Sethi is the tip of the iceberg. We are out here, and we want to have a serious conversation with you guys to find out what went wrong and whether there is anything you can do to make amends.

  • http://crueltobekind.org Nicole Simon

    Guys, you are calling him on not posting right away about the rest when in fact that is what caused trouble in the first place.
    I know people skip first paragraph but it does actually say: “I would like to address this issue immediately before I post my feelings about the conference.”.
    This is the easier thing to write about and get it out of the way first. As for deleting the comment .. it was ‘out’ too long I think to acutally being able to just delete it. It would have brought many more questions than answers at that point.
    And even if Loic was so ‘powerful’ to get Sam fired – well, I can just not believe Mike Arrington is so easy to be told what to do.
    Nicole

  • http://www.douglaskarr.com Doug Karr

    I actually would have never known about this entire event had it not been for the firing. However, I hope that you can put the word out there that this type of behavior is unnecessary and not constructive.
    There seems to be a growing list of events such as this among “A-listers”. They don’t hesitate in tearing down other bloggers, sites, etc. and call each other names. It’s not acceptable in any setting, certainly not on the web where there is always a public and always a record.
    Either way, it doesn’t change my personal opinion of either of you. Of course, I’d be wary of working with either of you given the history. I’m not an “A-List” person, either, so it may not be of any consequence to you. It’s simply juvenile and unnecessary behavior.
    I just really hope folks can be ‘nicer’ and more tolerant on the web. I thought we had learned enough back in the day of ‘flaming’. It’s time that this behavior be looked down upon on the web.
    Respectfully,
    Doug

  • http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris Tom Morris

    Err, Doug Karr – the whole “be nice to one another” argument was shot down in flames at Les Blogs 2 when Mena Trott shouted “asshole” at Ben Metcalfe. Oh, how history repeats itself…

  • http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/default.aspx paul

    As a blogger I can’t understand why you didn’t respond sooner to all the noise.

  • http://gapingvoid.com hugh macleod

    Jesus.
    At Les Blogs 1 in erly 2005 I was invited to come down and speak/draw cartoons… and I paid money to get a hotel in Paris, plane fare etc etc. Oh, and did I mention I was spending my valuable time?
    Hey, guess what? I got bumped, mainly for technical reasons. Did I care? Of course not. It was no big del. These things haoppen. So I hung out for 3 days and met a lot of a groovy people, made some contacts, and went to visit a few tourist attractions.
    Did I write a “I was meant to be a speaker but got bumped and now I am angry” post? Of course not. That would’ve been too lame.
    My conclusion: Something else was going on with Le Web 3 and Loic is being used as a pretext/scapegoat.
    Of course, NOBODY wants to talk about that. Easier being sanctimonious.

  • http://www.alianzo.com/blogs/redessociales Jose del Moral

    How many times I have emailed something I did not mean to write… This is part of email/blogging. We have to understand better each other when using this medium.
    As what matters to LeWeb3, I think it was a mistake (a big one) to invite French politicians. But at the same time, I think the conference was just great in all respects: organization, place, attendees, speakers, party, etc. It is a pity some people are going to remember it for the wrong part. I hope this all gets forgotten very fast and you organize a new one in 2007.

  • Ian Fenn

    Reading Loic’s explanation, things seem to make sense. Michael agreed to withdraw the comment before talking about it with Sam. Sam and Mike fell out over it. Business over. Pain in the backside, particularly for TCUK co-editor Mike Butcher, but all involved are talented enough to succeed on their own.
    I’ve made my own feelings clear about Le Web 3 but give Loic a break. The past few days have probably been tough, certainly exhausting, and he’s said he’ll come back on the subject of the conference, so let’s just let him do so? Please?

  • http://www.1-click.com Arthur Madrid

    Ok, now we can say we have the versions of all the protagonist of what it looked like the Affairs of the week; SO WHAT?
    like always, all this make forget the essential about “Le Web3″ conference:
    - it was a huge international event;
    - the politics interviews would have been a mistake if you forget to listen geopolitics intervention from http://www.gapminder.com and Perez chrystal-clear 40 minutes speech;
    - a business conference is done also to make interact people between them (if possible business too) not only to be online with Wi-Fi or to listen the panels
    - blogging is about people, opinion, expression, democracy, politics, freedom…and EGO of their owners, who forget they do not accomplish so many things; there is still a big differecne between a post and a book, between sarcasm and analysis, between a journalist and a writer; so please bloggers go back on earth and try to provide humanity and peace to people, they need it;
    blogging can be gossip but much more than this. We are all agree with that!

  • http://profile.typekey.com/adders/ Adam

    The past few days have probably been tough, certainly exhausting, and he’s said he’ll come back on the subject of the conference, so let’s just let him do so? Please?
    Hear hear.

  • http://www.SeduceAnyWoman.info Free dating tips

    unless as you say we miss something important. If his intentions were personnal ambitions to build his name on yours them shame on him. it sounds like you have enough problems already….

  • http://www.docuverse.com/blog/donpark/ Don Park

    Cheer up Loic. You can’t please everyone.

  • ZF

    What Loic has to say about Sam sounds entirely reasonable and believable even though, as he admits, leaving his comment was an abject lapse in both judgment and civility. Arrington, even by his own account, seems to have been the one who screwed things up from there.
    Loic’s decisions before and during the conference itself, though, currently look a lot harder to place in any favorable light.

  • Ardrian

    LLM, how does it feel to get someone fired by just doing a few phone calls and pulling a few strings? Did you get a hard one when you called your buddy Michael Arringon?
    Lets face it. It was you who misbehaved, not Sam. And your action to get him silenced is disgusting. What do you claim? “Blogs start conversations”? Well, you apparently can’t stand a conversation if it is in the style you started and instead need people get fired.
    It tells a lot about your company and management style that calling someone “asshole” is apparently part of your company culture (remember Mena Trott?). But hey, on the other hand you make nicy-nicy with French politicians. Did they promise you some job in administration in exchange for the free propaganda?
    You are not the right stuff for being a manager. You are not stress resistant, you can’t put personal feelings aside in business. You have no style and no class. You probably sank as low as a blogger can sink. You tried to silence someone because he told you some inconvenient truth in the tone you actually set.
    You are the right stuff for becoming a politician. So go and play with your your slimy friends. You deserve each other.

  • http://www.duncanriley.com Duncan

    On the last line about SixApart and Sam’s blog, “people” didn’t start the rumour, Sam posted it on Twitter, himself.

  • http://spaces.msn.com/guerel/ Romain Guerel (depuis Pekin)

    I give my full support to Loic. He has done an impressive work for le web3. If people including here can only speak about the unfortunate events of Sarkozy and Sam Sethi and do not talk about innovation and what they learn at the conference, it means the bubble is not so far. Beware!

  • http://blog.netpolitique.net/index.php/2006/12/17/632-leweb3-is-it-over-yet Le Blog de Netpolitique

    LeWeb3: is it over yet ?

    There is a good rule of thumb to determine when a conversation has gone on for too long and gone too far

  • http://www.enriquedans.com/2006/12/loic-retoma-la-conversacion.html El Blog de Enrique Dans

    Loïc retoma la conversación

    Tras cuatro dias sin aparecer por ninguna de sus paginas, algo bastante poco habitual en el, Loic retoma la conversacion para dar algunas explicaciones sobre lo ocurrido durante y despues de LeWeb 3, concretamente en lo referente al despido del direc…

  • Roman Jeremie

    HI ALL,
    HERE IS A VERY INTERESTING ARTICLME ABOUT THIS EVENT FROM THE FRENCH NEWSPAPER LE MONDE.
    ARTICLE IN FRENCH:
    http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-651865,36-845862,0.html?xtor=RSS-3208
    ARTICLE IN ENGLISH (AUTOMATIC TRANSLATION)
    A bloguor victim of “Web 3″ and… of the presidential campaign
    LEMONDE.FR | 14.12.06 | Updated • 19h41 15.12.06 | 09h44
    Tuesday December 12 in the morning, at the time of the opening of the second day of the conference Web 3, Loïc Meur, organizer and master of ceremonies of the event, recalled to its audience (a thousand of representatives of the blogosphère) the visit envisaged of Nicolas Sarkozy, candidate with the presidential election of 2007.
    Anxious apparently of possible overflows of a public rowdy, “Bloïc” tries to extinguish with the source any inclination of direct dispute: “I know that you, blogueurs, have opinions. But I ask you to express them on your blogs. Do it for me.” The owner of Six Apart France, which already médiatisé its intention to vote for the current Minister of Interior Department, tries to spare his favourite.
    All in all, the wish of Loïc Meur is exaucé. The candidate with the presidential election is politely accomodated by technophiles foreign, for half, and little concerned with the tricolour electoral expiry. There are well some english-speaking who râlent here and there, dissatisfied to have to listen to a speaker who is expressed in French, but anything more. During nearly half an hour, Nicolas Sarkozy fustigates “the delay of France”, the inaction in certain sectors of his own government. He warns against the risk of gangster drift of the Network… and then from goes away. Not a question cannot be put. The candidate releases the eye of the camera and leaves the scene. Loïc Meur is any smile. Even if whistles accompany the exit by the Minister of Interior Department, the operation communication seems to be a success.
    A THANKED BLOGUEUR
    Reconciling, the blogueurs reserved their reactions for their blogs. The wave of comments is imposing. Zdard.net titrates “the error of Loïc Meur” and denounces the mixture of the kinds. “the intervention of Nicolas Sarkozy was on the other hand as useless as except subject”, the bloguor continues. A point of view shared overall by a community which is not afraid to publish contributions assassinate.
    But even in the microcosm of the blogosphère, irreverence has limits. Sam Sethi, chronicler on TechCrunch, published Monday 11 December a note criticizing the vacuity of the debates and the dysfunctions of the Wi-Fi network at the time of the first day of conference. Loïc Meur does not appreciate that one can be caught some with his organization. It lets it know with the writer of the note and the remainder of planet by leaving a comment. It qualifies there Sam Sethi of “asshole”. This last reacts to the comment of Loïc Meur in a new note, againstthe opinion of the owner of TechCrunch, Michael Arrington, who does not wish to make assemble the history. It is the note of too for Sam Sethi, who is illico thanked. The business makes great noise in the blogosphère, sometimes prompt criticize the independence of the professional media.
    After the business of the visit of Nicolas Sarkozy, that of the reference of a too critical bloguor disturbs the image of Web 3. Contacted by telephone Thursday afternoon, Loïc Meur did not wish to comment on the unexpected epilogue of its conference: “You saw what is at the head of research on Technorati ? It is Web 3. My comments, I will publish them on my blog.” No the doubt, Loïc Meur, creator of buzz, can make speak about him.

  • http://www.headshift.com Lee Bryant

    Hi Loic,
    Thanks for making clear you had no wish to see Sam and Mike fired from TCUK. Would love to hear your reflections on the conference at some point.
    Well done for Le Web. It was spectacular and, although some criticisms are justified about Sarkozy et al, you have created something wonderful by investing a huge amount of personal energy and enthusiasm. I salute you for that!
    My reflections are here: http://www.headshift.com/archives/003064.cfm
    Have a good end of year break – you deserve it!

  • http://www.vecosys.com Sam Sethi

    Hi Loic
    Thank you for finally posting. Lets be very clear I think you did a great job in organising the event and in both my posts about Le Web I hope I made that clear.
    Having organised events myself in the past – and none as big as Le Web – I understand the stress and tiredness you may have been under. At times it’s thankless hard work!
    In the passing days a number of people have tried to drag me into calling you names in podcasts and newspaper interviews but my view remains consistent, you are a good person and the effort you went too to create Le Web was immense and I thank you and others for their time, energy and effort. We certainly need more European events.
    My post I feel on TCUK regarding Le Web was moderate certainly compared to others and was honest feedback based on my own experience and that of other attendees I spoke too. Nothing more, nothing less.
    But I don’t think I deserved your comment and although I do accept that you apologised it was some 4 hours later following the disclosure of Mike’s email asking for the comment to be removed.I asked Mike for clarity, as this was not the excepted blogging norm and especially because by that time people had already commented on your original comment.
    Would you have apologised publically otherwise?
    So as editor I chose to leave the comment on the site but that is not why Mike and I fell out. Mike felt my second post was exploiting the situation for personal gain???
    I’m not sure how, because I do not own TechCrunch and having previously posted about the UK events mentioned in the TCUK blog elsewhere I strongly disagreed, although I will accept that it may have been seen that way if you had never read the TCUK blog before!
    Mike asked me to leave calling into question my character and I chose to do so given his view, again nothing more nothing less.
    I wish you and Mike well in the future and hope that this matter is now closed. As far as I am concerned it is water under the bridge and I have moved on.
    Thanks in advance
    Sam
    http://www.vecosys.com

  • http://www.doyoubuzz.com Ludovic Simon

    Loïc,
    we have not been very nice with you in the last few days. Sometimes, some of your choices are criticizable but I don’t understand why so much people hate you !
    I also make somme criticals on my blog http://www.doyoubuzz.com, but i want to say that the french profession needs some people like you !!!
    Thanks for your energy and your work on LeWeb3.
    Ludo

  • Me

    Loïc. There is no word to qualify you and this post. You are just an asshole.

  • http://www.achat-wii.fr juni

    no you can’t say it !

  • http://www.yypfw.com 服装批发

    I wish you and Mike well in the future and hope that this matter is now closed. As far as I am concerned it is water under the bridge and I have moved on.

  • http://www.vip925.com 饰品批发

    Would you have apologised publically otherwise?

  • http://www.67815.com 机票

    After the business of the visit of Nicolas Sarkozy, that of the reference of a too critical bloguor disturbs the image of Web 3. Contacted by telephone Thursday afternoon, Loïc Meur did not wish to comment on the unexpected epilogue of its conference: “You saw what is at the head of research on Technorati ? It is Web 3. My comments, I will publish them on my blog.” No the doubt, Loïc Meur, creator of buzz, can make speak about him.

  • http://www.chatgroups.de hans olaf

    a good story :-)

  • http://www.vip815.com 月饼

    good

  • http://www.vip815.com 美心月饼

    I wish you and Mike well in the future and hope that this matter is now closed. As far as I am concerned it is water under the bridge and I have moved on.
    Thanks in advance

  • http://www.f3vip.net 深圳月饼

    In the passing days a number of people have tried to drag me into calling you names in podcasts and newspaper interviews but my view remains consistent, you are a good person and the effort you went too to create Le Web was immense and I thank you and others for their time, energy and effort. We certainly need more European events.

  • http://www.headshift.com/archives/003065.cfm Headshift

    Techcrunch UK and Ireland suspended; Queen to apologise?

    The UK has been suspended from the Techcrunch universe for attempted journalism. The Foreign Office are currently in negotiations with the State Department and the Queen is likely to apologise in the hope that we can be allowed back in ;-)

  • http://www.onemanandhisblog.com/archives/2006/12/le_web_3_loic_e.html One Man & His Blog

    Le Web 3: Loïc est mort?

    Links to Lo�c Le Meur’s fist reactions to the Le Web 3 criticism.